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Hidden power, secrets, cover-ups, corruption.

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You think you know the whole story?

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Think again.

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I've been governor, a Navy SEAL, a fighter.

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I've heard things that'll blow your mind,

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and now I think it's time you get the whole story.

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Now, Jesse goes back to the future.

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This is the deepest, darkest state secret

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that the United States possesses.

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To investigate a conspiracy that stops the clock.

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You're talking to me here like H.G. Wells in the time machine.

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Is the government using time travel as a weapon?

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There is at least a 70-year paper trail

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suggesting our government has been engaged in time travel.

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Is a secret army of time travelers

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heading out and changing history?

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The whole question is, what does the government know that we don't?

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Jesse and his team find the witnesses.

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They light dark naked on it.

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They put a time machine to the test.

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I'll hear the time travel. Are you ready for that?

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And they track down a time traveler.

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A found bishago.

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Who claims he has the evidence.

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Oh, that's you.

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That proves it all.

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Wow. That's you at the Gettysburg Address.

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Where's Lincoln?

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Lincoln's back here.

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The clock is ticking.

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And I say we do it right now.

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As Jesse Ventura.

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You up for that, Sean?

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Untangles.

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I want to see where someone leaves somewhere

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and shows up somewhere else.

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The time travel, conspiracy.

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I'm Jesse Ventura.

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And this is Conspiracy Theory.

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Jesse Ventura's investigation has led him

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to the most bizarre situation yet.

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In a room with a time machine.

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And a man who says he knows how to use it.

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So you can take us back in time?

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Jesse is ready for anything.

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I'll only go to the future.

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Well, you're going to go in the past.

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But not this.

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I'll tell you what, this thing is dangerous.

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It's dangerous.

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I would say it's very dangerous.

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You got to be wondering why I'd spend a second

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on something as crazy sounding as time travel.

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Well, maybe this really began when I was a kid.

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Back when one of my favorite movies was the time machine.

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If that machine can do what you say it can,

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destroy it, George, before it destroys you.

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Then again, there's the source.

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Alfred Weber is an Ivy League lawyer.

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A former White House advisor.

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A real insider.

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Alfred Weber, what on earth are you into now?

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You contact me and say it's imperative that I meet you

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and talk to you about what?

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This is the deepest, darkest state secret

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that the United States possesses.

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Yeah, that's one way to grab someone's attention.

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This is a technology that allows a person

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to go from point A, B, C, D in time

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to another point, E, F, Y, G, in the time space continuum.

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Wait a minute now. Wait a minute.

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Time out of me. Wait.

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You're talking to me here like H.G. Wells and the time machine.

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That's what you're saying to me.

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That's right.

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That the U.S. government is involved in time travel

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or a time machine?

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If we have the ability to do time travel,

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why should that be kept secret?

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and they've hurt a lot of people doing it,

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and that needs to be exposed.

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So Weber says the government's been working

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that thousands of people have been killed along the way.

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They can mind control you.

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They can capture you, and they can send you,

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and you've just disappeared.

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Well, let me ask you this, Alfred.

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Why would they kill to keep this secret?

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Because dead men tell no tales.

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But what's the tale to be told?

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Right now, the agencies that have control of this technology

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DARPA, the Advanced Advanced Research Project Agency,

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and the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency.

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Can they use this technology to make a weapon?

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And time travel has been weaponized from day one,

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and it's been used against the United States of America.

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Give me an example.

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This is an example that is near and dear to your heart,

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I know, Governor.

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They had photographs of the planes hitting the twin towers

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of the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001.

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They had those photographs in 1971.

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Well, that would be astounding.

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Now, not only that, the gentleman,

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and I'm not going to mention names,

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the gentleman who was the Pentagon liaison

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to this time travel program

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was a member of the president's cabinet at that time,

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and he was also U.S. Secretary of Defense

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Well, that's Donald Rumsfeld.

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And is that a conflict of interest or not?

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Yeah, it's right out of H.G. Wells' all right,

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using time travel to plan wars,

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to knock off dissidents,

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and for something I didn't expect.

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thinks they elect the president.

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pre-identified 20 to 30 years in advance,

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and each of those presidents has been informed about that

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and has been trained,

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and those presidential races are a mockery.

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What you're saying is DARPA and the CIA

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pick out our president.

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Not only pick him out, but run the president.

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This is sounding like one of those cheesy old sci-fi movies

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I like to watch.

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I'm about ready to write this all off

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when he comes up with something solid.

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There's a whistleblower,

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a U.S. crononaut.

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What is a crononaut?

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A crononaut travels in the secret time-space travel program.

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He was present at the beginning as a child.

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and you find that person,

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and he will blow this wide open.

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He was time-traveled to an actual event in the past.

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This might be worth a look, after all.

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I'll talk to my people,

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and we'll see what we can learn about this

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and see if there's any truth to this.

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it's yourself, Governor.

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Or they're gonna lock me up.

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Well, you're not gonna believe this one, guys.

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Engels.

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Jesse brings the case to his team.

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Investigator June Sarpong.

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Advisor Braverman.

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And Jesse's son Tyrell.

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I got an informant that tells me that time-travel is real.

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Time-travel.

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Time-travel is real, that it's one of the most secret things

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the government's ever done,

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that they've been at it for 40 years now,

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and they've been successful with it.

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and we don't know about it, and it's an ultra-secret program.

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It's the ultimate weapon that any government can hold.

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This is ludicrous.

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tons of countries have invested billions into this machine,

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and a lot of scientists are worried that it could affect the time-space continuum.

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if we go closer to the speed of light.

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You would travel, let's say, you know, X amount of years,

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you could come back here, we'd all be dead, and you'd still be young.

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So they don't like back-to-the-future movies.

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Governments do it with an ulterior motive.

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The question is, what does the government know?

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We've looked at crazy things before.

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Okay, okay, but credibility goes the other way, too.

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If we investigate and expose it as a fraud,

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that also gives us credibility.

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This guy, Weber, says there's a whistleblower out there.

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Let's get out there and find him.

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The team sets off in search of that time traveler.

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And some evidence that time travel is even possible.

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Tyrell and Sean meet up with Dr. Franklin Rule,

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There is at least a 70-year, perhaps an 80-year paper trail of evidence

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suggesting our government has been engaged in time travel experimentation.

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The U.S. government and time travel?

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the University of Chicago, and Princeton,

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where researchers included Albert Einstein.

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The Philadelphia experiment, a top-secret attempt

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to make the Navy ship USS Eldridge invisible.

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but it was also transported through time

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I've heard rumors of this for a long time, but what is the proof?

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and he believed that, indeed, the Philadelphia experiment

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engaged in time travel.

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Unfortunately, he himself committed suicide.

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It was like a lounge chair in an isolation booth.

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The man who says he ran a government time machine.

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They'd laid stark naked on it.

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All bets are off when you talk about time travel technology.

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The team gets closer to the mysterious time traveler.

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I've got his name.

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Maybe we should find someone who can actually operate this thing.

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Hello, gentlemen.

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We're here to time travel. Are you ready for that?

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Jesse puts a time machine to the test.

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I'll tell you what, this thing is dangerous.

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Into the time tunnel when Conspiracy Theory continues.

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Jesse Ventura and his team are investigating a time travel conspiracy.

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Charges that our government is traveling to the past and future

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to change history and control our destiny.

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Physicist Dr. Franklin Ruhl is telling Tyrell and Sean

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about the Philadelphia experiment.

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A U.S. Navy ship reportedly traveled through time in the 1940s.

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Scientific investigator Morris Jessup exposed the project.

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Then he turned up dead.

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He committed suicide in 1959.

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where they weren't sure if he had killed himself or he was...

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because he was getting too close to the truth and might have revealed it.

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So tell me about this Montauk project.

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The Montauk project apparently grew out of the hands of the U.S.

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Apparently grew out of the Philadelphia experiment.

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The Montauk project.

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More secret time travel experiments.

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Work allegedly went on for years at Camp Hero,

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a military base at the end of Long Island, New York.

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Today, the site's abandoned.

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But at least one scientist who claims he worked on the project is alive and talking.

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June Sarpong tracks down Preston Nichols.

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Suppressed and tell me what was the Montauk project?

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Well, the Montauk project was a study attempting to use electromagnetic

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to put thought in the people's head and then transmitted out the old radar transmitter

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at huge amounts of power.

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And what was the time travel element of this?

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Well, at one point, the equipment got powerful enough

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where it was literally precipitating time travel.

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Meelo Dr. Ruhl has an incredible lead here in the present.

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Well, there's a man who has claimed that time travelers from the future

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gave him a time travel device.

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And then he's enhanced it so it's a hyperdimensional resonator, which he's now selling.

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Okay, so he's selling something that time travels people.

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Inventor Steven Gibbs has been a mysterious figure on the conspiracy radar for decades.

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Yes, he really is selling a time travel device.

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Compact and ready to use.

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The idea is that putting it where you may have this energy vortex,

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that would enhance its ability to carry out its job of teleporting you through time.

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Energy vortexes, swirling centers of concentrated electromagnetic energy,

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they're scattered and mapped around the globe.

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Theoretically, with the right equipment,

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they can rotate faster than the speed of light and open a hole in time.

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In fact, he's selling it on the internet.

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So you guys might want to purchase.

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Wait, wait, wait.

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I think I'm selling a time travel device on the internet.

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Back in New York, Preston Nichols is explaining the Montauk project time machine,

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a device known as the Montauk chair.

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The Montauk chair was this lounge chair that the chair guys,

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there were always guys, would lay on, they'd lay start naked on it.

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It had physiological sensors, the array of antennas around the lounge chair

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that was literally picking up the electromagnetic radiation out of the neurological system.

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And there the computer would decode the thoughts.

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And then if the person in the chair had the capability of time travel,

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this machine would bring it to full reality.

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Sean zooms off to meet one of his contacts.

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Anya is a psychic.

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She says she studied time travel with Montauk project survivors.

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It's real.

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That's the first thing you need to know about it.

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The second thing you need to know is extremely dangerous.

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And the third thing is that it goes far, far deeper than you could possibly imagine.

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All bets are off when you talk about time travel technology.

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You have to leave A plus B equals C logic at the door.

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So who specifically was tested on?

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Well, typically they would go pick up people off the street

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and shove them through the open vortex.

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Did anybody die?

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A lot of people died.

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Were these people ever documented?

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No.

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Are there pictures to document this time?

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Virtually nothing.

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Preston Nichols does not have photographic evidence.

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He's not the time traveler the team is looking for,

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but he says he knows who is.

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Governor, Weber might not be as far out as he sounded.

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There is a whistleblower.

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I've got his name.

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Bishago.

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Bishago.

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The hunt for the time traveler shifts into a new gear.

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But there's an unexpected twist.

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Tyrell has gotten hold of that time machine.

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Now he'll try to get Jesse to test it.

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Still ahead.

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This is Mr. Gibbs's time machine.

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Jesse's chance to travel through time.

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Powers are dangerous.

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What does that thing do?

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Then a crucial clue.

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How various do you do?

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From the man in the white van.

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I've done a lot of research on him.

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And later.

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So what you're saying is the first time you lived here was 1973.

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Jesse faces down the mysterious time traveler.

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The second time was 1972.

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At the time tunnel vortex.

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I am that time traveler.

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Well, Jesse's crazy is I actually found a guy in Mr. Gibbs who claims to have made a time machine.

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It's something Jesse Ventura never imagined.

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He and his team are investigating a conspiracy to use time travel to influence world events and control our lives.

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Stranger still, he's talking about using a time machine.

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Yes, and then this is Mr. Gibbs's time machine.

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This small device was sold by reclusive inventor Steven Gibbs.

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It's said to have the power to send people into the past and into the future.

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I mean the radar detector in my Porsche is more expensive look in the mail.

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It's a hyper dimensional resonator which sends you into different dimensions, different time zones.

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This little thing can do all that?

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Apparently so.

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We should take it back to Dr. Ruhl.

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He said we should take it to a vortex to use it, right?

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Hell man, I say we do it right now.

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I say we strap it to Shawn and see if we can send you through time there buddy.

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You up for that Shawn?

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While Jesse tries to make sense of the time travel device,

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June is chasing down Bishago, the only known time traveler.

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She's reached out to her contact in the conspiracy underworld.

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Costa?

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A black ops veteran, the man in the white van.

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I need some information.

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What about my dear?

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I've been given a name, a whistleblower.

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What's the name?

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Bishago.

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Andrew Bishago?

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You heard of him?

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How various do you?

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I've done a lot of research on him.

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His involvement has advanced US time research as a child.

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Project Pegasus was part of the time travel project that started in the 60s.

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Project Pegasus, a top secret program run by DARPA,

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the Defense Department's classified research wing.

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DARPA is known for experimenting with concepts like hyperspeed and invisibility.

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Time travel is right in its wheelhouse.

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Can you get me to him?

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Yes I can.

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That night Tyrell, Sean and I arrive in Las Vegas to test out that time machine.

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We check into that pyramid hotel.

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They say it's on top of a natural vortex,

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a powerful pool of electromagnetic energy.

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That, the pyramid power, is supposed to kick start the time machine?

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At least according to the expert who will run it for us.

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So where's this guy?

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Stuart Swirdlow.

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Apparently going to take us all back in time.

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With that little box?

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There's a plug in?

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I don't know.

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We'll have to see how this thing operates.

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Gentlemen, can you hear that time travel?

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Are you ready for that?

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Stuart Swirdlow is another veteran of the Montauk project.

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He said he was recruited as a teenager

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and went through all kinds of time travel experiments.

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So you can take us back in time?

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Yeah, what is this thing over here?

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This is something that we found called the hyperdimensional resonator.

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You got it.

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You got it.

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Stephen L. Gibbs.

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Well, I'll tell you what, this thing is dangerous and I wouldn't use it.

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I came all the way here so this guy can chicken out.

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He's going to time travel all right, right onto Las Vegas Boulevard.

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How is it dangerous?

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What does that thing do?

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This is a modified radionics machine.

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This modified version generates a powerful electromagnetic field

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that could damage and enter into your personal energy field.

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Really, it damages chakra system, your internal organs.

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It could change the energy in this room.

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It's not a very good idea.

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Right.

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Wouldn't want to hurt the old chakra now, would we?

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So we're not going to use this machine because it's dangerous.

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I would say it's very dangerous.

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I came here to see some time travel.

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So Swirdlow says he'll do it.

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His way.

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I was in Montauk project for 13 years and in those 13 years,

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we learned all of these techniques.

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I'll only go to the moon or to the future.

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Well, you're going to go in the past.

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Oh, boy.

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And in fact, I think it might be a good idea for all of you

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to see where you originally came from.

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Coming up.

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The team prepares for a wild ride.

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The team is preparing for a wild ride.

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Coming up.

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The team prepares for a wild ride.

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I want to see where someone leaves somewhere and shows up somewhere else.

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Through time.

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So you're ready?

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Okay.

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Then, the time traveler names a fellow chrono knot.

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Yes, I met Barack Obama.

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But can he convince Jesse?

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This is the photo that that is you at Gettysburg?

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Correct.

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Jesse Ventura is investigating a conspiracy that could change the course of history.

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And now, he's facing the greatest danger yet.

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He's in a hotel room in Las Vegas with Tyrell, Sean,

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and a man who claims he can send them hurtling through time.

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Okay.

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Are you ready?

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Stuart Swirdlow is a veteran of the Montauk project.

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A top secret government time travel program.

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He's already refused to operate a time travel device the team brought along.

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This thing is dangerous and I wouldn't use it.

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This could damage the chakra system, your internal organs.

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But Swirdlow claims to have his own technique, government tested.

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So, in this particular time travel experiment,

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I'm going to teach you to mentally go back down through the DNA

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to the very beginning where it was formed.

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Okay.

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And then you can see what you were.

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Mentally, that's not time travel.

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That's daydreaming.

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What's the difference between what you're doing hypnotism?

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Well, hypnotism is when somebody else is controlling your mind.

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Okay.

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This is teaching you how to direct your own mind where you want to go.

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Mine is well humor the guy for now.

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So, you ready?

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Okay.

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So, your feet are flat on the floor, hands at your side or your lap.

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Swirdlow is telling Tyrell and Sean to visualize.

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Visualize a blue circle, a green spiral staircase.

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Come on.

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I want to see somebody disappear.

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So does Tyrell.

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Well, I got to quit.

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How can we physically time travel?

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Well, that's it.

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And here's the thing.

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Time and space is an illusion of physical reality.

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It really doesn't exist.

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Yeah, but none of this rings true for me.

490
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None of this rings true for me.

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But that's your personal choice.

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It's my personal choice.

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It's just I have yet to see any real evidence of anything beyond people.

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No, no offense.

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Beyond people's own viewpoints or anything that they've seen or they've described.

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You know, so I'm just a little kind of frustrated because I've wasted all this time and all this energy.

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And yet you didn't complete it properly.

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It's simply a question of where you're focused.

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Oh, my focus is on walking out of the room.

500
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Huh.

501
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I didn't expect that.

502
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We pushed Swerdlow to show us physical time travel, but he can't.

503
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Well, this is not...

504
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It's not cast in stone.

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If it's mental, I guess you can travel mentally anywhere you want.

506
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But, you know, I'm looking at something more physical.

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I want to see where someone leaves somewhere and shows up somewhere else.

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That might be hard.

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For me to believe it.

510
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I'm hardcore.

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You can cut the tension with a knife.

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But just when the investigation seems to have stalled, Jesse gets a call from June.

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Governor, a found-in.

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A found bashago.

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Jesse sends Tyrell and Sean to meet the world's only self-proclaimed physical time traveler.

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He's hiding out in a no-tell motel.

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A knock on the door, and there he is.

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Meet Andrew Bashago.

519
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This is a guy who's about to blow open the government's deep secret.

520
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The attempt to change the course of history by sending people like him through time.

521
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I mean, what are your background? Who are you?

522
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Well, I'm a lawyer from Washington state, and in the late 1960s and early 1970s,

523
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I was one of the 140 American school children who were attached to DARPA's Project Pegasus.

524
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,000
American school children?

525
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:09,000
At that time, the U.S. government was working with children roughly age 7 to 11.

526
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,000
They had developed a technology that essentially opened up

527
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,000
vortical tunnels in the fabric of time space, and they technically needed

528
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,000
small, cooperative, intelligent human beings.

529
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When we were jumping through that field of radiant energy,

530
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we found that we had punched open essentially a tunnel in the fabric of time space.

531
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We would travel for, let's say, 5 or 10 seconds,

532
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and then when the tunnel closed, we would find ourselves elsewhere.

533
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Bashago claims he was recruited by his father, a DARPA engineer.

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He and the other kids would jump through time from a facility in Woodbridge, New Jersey.

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Then land on the grounds of the Baton Memorial in Santa Fe, New Mexico.

536
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It was a distance of 2,005 miles in several seconds.

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From Santa Fe, Bashago says his father took him to the Sandia National Laboratories,

538
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where he jumped into the future and passed.

539
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One of the places they sent us was to the Revolutionary War period.

540
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And in at least one case, influenced history.

541
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We were literally in George Washington's encampment to advise him to retreat from New York Harbor.

542
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,000
Oh, so the generals from today were sending you guys back?

543
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,000
Well, they weren't the generals.

544
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They were just the defense technical people and CIA people aligned with Project Pegasus.

545
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How did you get access to General Washington at the time?

546
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Well, when they turned the device on, we popped into view literally in his encampment.

547
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He was sitting there, a very august gentleman, and I remember he was kind of looking at us with some mirth.

548
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He kind of said, well, what am I to presume you are, lads, angels?

549
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We explained that we were time travelers from the future.

550
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:56,000
We informed him what we were instructed to tell him, which was that he was going to win the Revolutionary War,

551
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become the first president of the United States, be regarded essentially the father of his country,

552
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but that all of those things depended upon him taking our advice to retreat

553
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and move his 2,000 or more troops from New York Harbor, which they did in the middle of the night there.

554
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And your father and family were totally cool with sending their 8-year-old child through time space?

555
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Well, my father certainly was because he was one of the Project Principals.

556
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:29,000
The other Principals? Bishago names names, including a future Defense Secretary.

557
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Don Rumsfeld was the Defense Attaché to Project Pegasus,

558
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and he told us that the purpose of teleportation was primarily military.

559
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It was going to enable us to put troops precisely where they were needed on the battlefield.

560
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And there's one more name he offers, almost in passing.

561
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A fellow child time traveler and future president.

562
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:57,000
Barack Obama was one of the 140 schoolchildren involved in Project Pegasus.

563
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,000
Yes, I met Barack Obama.

564
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,000
Did you know Obama would become president?

565
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,000
He was clearly identified as a future American president.

566
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,000
Actually, one of the things that was going on is the project was briefing future presidents.

567
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So I met President George H.W. Bush and his son George W. Bush and Bill Clinton in Albuquerque

568
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,000
during those years, shortly after they were informed that their personal destinies

569
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involved becoming president of the United States.

570
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And then Andrew Bishago produces the evidence the team's been searching for.

571
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So you have a photograph?

572
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Yes, I do have proof of my presence at a pass location, and that was the photograph that was taken of me.

573
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I have it in my briefcase.

574
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,000
Sean, can you pass me my briefcase?

575
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,000
Still ahead, the time traveler...

576
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You're talking Star Trek here today.

577
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,000
...tries to convince Jesse.

578
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,000
Actually, I'm talking the opposite of Star Trek.

579
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,000
...and later, that Gettysburg photo.

580
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,000
It's the first photograph to show a time traveler from the future.

581
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,000
...judge for yourself.

582
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,000
You do look kind of out of place.

583
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:09,000
The S.E.V.T. tourist team has tracked down the time-traveling informant.

584
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:15,000
Andrew Bishago says the government is sending people through time to influence world events.

585
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,000
Now, he has the evidence.

586
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A photo.

587
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A 150-year-old photo taken at a major historical event.

588
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I'm right here.

589
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I'm this boy standing in the foreground of the photograph.

590
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That's you with the Gettysburg address.

591
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Now, it's a matter of convincing Jesse.

592
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I really feel that you need to meet this guy, Andy Bishago.

593
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I mean, this guy shows you a picture, some old photo, and says that's him.

594
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Hey, Bishago said that he would take us to Santa Fe, New Mexico,

595
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and take us to Sandia Laboratories, which is on Berlin Air Force Base.

596
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,000
And that's where he said all this to place?

597
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That's where he said all this to you, today.

598
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Is his father dead?

599
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,000
I believe he is.

600
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Okay, because I would love to talk to his old man and ask his old man,

601
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how could you do this to your kid?

602
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,000
Next stop is Albuquerque.

603
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,000
There he is.

604
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,000
Andy.

605
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There he is.

606
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I'm at the governor.

607
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Andy Bishago.

608
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,000
Hi, Mr. Bishago.

609
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I guess you're going to teach me about time travel, huh?

610
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,000
Yes, I've done it, governor.

611
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,000
Okay.

612
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,000
Well, you've got to convince me.

613
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,000
I'm a bit of a skeptic.

614
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,000
Now, it's on to the time travel jump site.

615
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The Sandia National Labs on Kirtland Air Force Base.

616
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,000
So, Andy, this is the base, or right around here, where all this took place?

617
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Some of the most important activities that Project Pegasus undertook

618
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,000
were located at the Sandia National Labs.

619
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,000
What have we used it for?

620
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,000
There was a decision made in the context of Project Pegasus

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that we would primarily use time travel technology

622
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to get information about the past and future,

623
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,000
to engage in better contingency,

624
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,000
planning.

625
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That's hard for me to grasp.

626
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,000
I mean, a lot of this has changed,

627
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,000
but essentially, Sandia was the teleport in New Mexico.

628
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,000
I mean, I was driven up here probably 40 times.

629
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,000
When you say teleport, talk to me like I'm the six-year-old.

630
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,000
Okay.

631
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:15,000
There was a device that consisted of two gray-colored elliptical booms

632
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that were about eight feet tall,

633
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placed about 10 feet apart on the floor.

634
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,000
Between those two booms would range from

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a shimmering field of energy,

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and it had the capability to bend the fabric of time space.

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So when we leapt through that field of energy,

638
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a vortal tunnel opened up in the fabric of time space.

639
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You're talking Star Trek here to me.

640
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,000
Actually, I'm talking the opposite of Star Trek.

641
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In Star Trek, you disintegrate the teleportee

642
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at the point of embarkation

643
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and then reassemble them at the destination.

644
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Right.

645
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We were jumping through literally a hole

646
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in the fabric of time space.

647
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Let's go see where you came through.

648
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Bishoggle leads the team around the base,

649
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but his recollections are hazy.

650
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,000
So does this gate look familiar?

651
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,000
I think this is another one of the side gates.

652
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,000
Let's head down here and make a left

653
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,000
and see if there's another gate.

654
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,000
Let's just keep circling the base.

655
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,000
Okay.

656
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,000
Eventually, we'll come out hopefully,

657
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,000
unless we're teleported,

658
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we should come out where we started.

659
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,000
So we would talk to them that day.

660
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,000
Now if we end up in New Jersey,

661
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,000
then I know we're in trouble.

662
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,000
The U.S. Defense Technology is a big problem

663
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,000
because the U.S. Defense Technical Community

664
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has spent trillions of dollars

665
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,000
developing secret technologies

666
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,000
for the U.S. government itself.

667
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,000
And this was one of them.

668
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,000
And all I'm doing is sharing my experiences

669
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,000
of what happened.

670
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,000
It may sound crazy, but I'm telling the truth.

671
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,000
After an hour circling the base,

672
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,000
Jesse's just about had enough.

673
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,000
Tie it much, pull over for a second.

674
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,000
Okay.

675
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,000
I should just stretch my legs out.

676
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,000
Clear my head a little.

677
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,000
As we're walking around with this guy,

678
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,000
he's running around.

679
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,000
I'm going to get the f*** away more than you f*** me up, man.

680
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,000
But I still think that something had to have happened

681
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,000
to this guy for him to come up with this

682
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,000
because he is so f*** knowledgeable.

683
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,000
Yeah.

684
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,000
The things he talks about, he knows them.

685
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,000
He's either...

686
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,000
I mean, I know Sean's pushing this hard,

687
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but I don't know.

688
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,000
That's why I want to keep moving.

689
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,000
Well, yeah, I want to follow through.

690
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,000
Let's go to Santa Fe.

691
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,000
The team pushes on the 60 miles to Santa Fe.

692
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,000
To the spot where Andrew Boshago says he was teleported,

693
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,000
the Baton Memorial Tower.

694
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,000
The Baton Memorial Building is the stunning visual

695
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,000
hallmark of all of Santa Fe.

696
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,000
So I had numerous experiences as one of the child teleporities

697
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,000
suddenly popping into view right here.

698
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,000
Right here.

699
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,000
Right here, right on these...

700
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,000
Right where we're standing.

701
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,000
And an old man was on his morning walk,

702
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,000
and he was so startled to see a young child

703
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,000
suddenly pop into view that his pipe popped out of his mouth.

704
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,000
Jesse's not buying it.

705
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,000
Children appearing from out of nowhere?

706
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,000
In the middle of a public plaza?

707
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,000
No way.

708
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,000
Why wouldn't they just have you appear

709
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,000
on a military installation where it could all be controlled?

710
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,000
Well, we know that they didn't want to drop us into Los Alamos

711
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,000
because of the spy networks that the former Soviet Union

712
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,000
had inside the Los Alamos National Labs.

713
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,000
How do you feel about someone who would say to you,

714
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,000
Andy, this is all made up.

715
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,000
This is a childhood fantasy

716
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,000
that's come into your adult life and taken over your head?

717
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,000
I would tell them that they're going to see that I've come up

718
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,000
with the names, the dates, the places of my project experiences

719
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,000
and that those facts are both too complex

720
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,000
and too deeply internested

721
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,000
and interrelating to each other to have been made up fraudulently.

722
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,000
Jesse's ready to call it a draw,

723
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,000
but at least one more shock is in store.

724
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,000
So, Andy, where are we heading to next?

725
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,000
We're going to the house in White Rock, New Mexico,

726
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,000
where my father and I stayed during two summers,

727
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:45,000
the summer of 1973 and then the summer of 1972 in that order.

728
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,000
I'm going to turn it up here.

729
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,000
So, wait a minute now.

730
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,000
Right there.

731
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:54,000
Andy, so what you're saying is the first time you lived here was 1973

732
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,000
and the second time was 1972?

733
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,000
Correct.

734
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,000
Coming up, the time traveler goes home again.

735
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,000
You were a child with a security clearance.

736
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,000
And Jesse gets to analyze that photo.

737
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,000
Governor, I am that time traveler.

738
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,000
The one that shows Bishago with Abraham Lincoln.

739
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,000
Jesse Ventura is driving through New Mexico

740
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,000
with a man who claims to be a government time traveler.

741
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:30,000
Andrew Bishago has shown the team the time travel portal in Santa Fe.

742
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,000
The tunnel that we were in would close and we would suddenly pop into view.

743
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:39,000
Now, he's leading them to a house where he says he lived with his father

744
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,000
between jumps through time.

745
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,000
More details to support his claims.

746
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,000
We're going to the house in White Rock, New Mexico,

747
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:53,000
where my father and I stayed during two summers, the summer of 1973

748
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,000
and then the summer of 1972 in that order.

749
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,000
We wind up in White Rock.

750
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:04,000
It's a neighborhood just down the road from Los Alamos National Laboratories.

751
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,000
That's where the government develops top secret nuclear weapons.

752
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,000
And according to Bishago, time machines.

753
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:16,000
Bishago leads us to a small house right off the main road.

754
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,000
During one of those summers, I was taking classes up at a lab

755
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,000
underneath the Los Alamos Public High School.

756
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,000
Can I help you?

757
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,000
Hello.

758
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,000
Hello.

759
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,000
We have a former resident of your house.

760
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,000
Jesse Ventura?

761
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,000
No, I'm not the resident, but I'm Jesse Ventura.

762
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,000
Oh, I see you're Jesse Ventura.

763
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,000
Oh, my gosh.

764
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,000
What are you doing all the time?

765
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:40,000
Well, this gentleman used to live here in 1973 when it was actually 72.

766
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,000
Hi, I'm Andy Bishago.

767
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,000
I've never heard of you.

768
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,000
We lived here well over 20 years.

769
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,000
I actually stayed in that bedroom on the left.

770
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,000
And why were you in this house?

771
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,000
I was attached to the U.S. Times Space Program at the time of this emergence.

772
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,000
It was a project under DARPA called Project Pegasus.

773
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,000
And we were working under the direction of Dr. Harold M. Agnew,

774
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,000
when he was the director of the Los Alamos National Lab.

775
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,000
Okay, so then did this project, you say, was under Harold Agnew?

776
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,000
Okay, so what project was this?

777
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,000
We were involved in time travel activity out here in New Mexico.

778
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,000
I was one of the children in the project who was being trained

779
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,000
to become the first cadre of American Times Space Explorers.

780
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,000
How could you do that if you didn't have a security clearance?

781
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,000
I did.

782
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,000
You were a child with a security clearance.

783
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,000
You seem like you're familiar with some of this stuff.

784
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,000
I'm not familiar with the project.

785
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,000
It's called Project Pegasus.

786
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,000
Project Pegasus.

787
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,000
I had some vague comment maybe years ago, Project Pegasus,

788
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,000
but I don't know what it is.

789
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,000
But you're really with Harold Agnew, is that what you said?

790
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,000
Yes, Harold Agnew was the director of that.

791
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,000
And there is a bedroom and then the kitchen.

792
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,000
Yes, this is a bedroom.

793
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,000
In fact, I can give you the site plan to your house just from memory here.

794
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,000
Is this the description of the interior accurate?

795
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,000
Yes, this is a bedroom here.

796
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,000
It's now an office.

797
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,000
The kitchen is over there.

798
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,000
According to your knowledge, I've never been inside your house, correct?

799
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,000
No.

800
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,000
Am I a stranger to you?

801
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,000
Yes.

802
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,000
Pretty damn interesting, though, isn't it?

803
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,000
Oh, it's interesting.

804
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,000
Well, that's the thing about Los Alamos.

805
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,000
Everything is classified.

806
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,000
It's like a little pie with a nice thick crust on the top

807
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,000
and everything is nice and maybe airy-ish.

808
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,000
And then underneath, we have lots of things going on.

809
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,000
So this woman knows the names.

810
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,000
She's heard about Project Pegasus.

811
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,000
And he seems to believe it all.

812
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,000
But what about the evidence I keep hearing about?

813
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,000
That photo.

814
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,000
Now, Andy, this is the photo that that is you at Gettysburg?

815
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,000
Correct.

816
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:29,000
I walked into downtown Gettysburg after reaching Gettysburg in 1863

817
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,000
from East Hanover, New Jersey in 1972.

818
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,000
This is the photo everyone's been talking about.

819
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,000
It's been in the public domain for more than 50 years,

820
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,000
way before Photoshop.

821
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,000
And it hasn't been retouched.

822
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,000
Abraham Lincoln is in the crowd back there.

823
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,000
Andrew Bissago said he's the kid in the center.

824
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:54,000
This lad here, which is me, was wearing grossly oversized shoes.

825
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,000
For any ear, I mean, they're large men's street shoes.

826
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,000
I had lost my hat, both shoes, and a sock.

827
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:05,000
So when I walked into town, a man came up and fitted me with the shoes.

828
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,000
He'd got me a Union winter parka.

829
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,000
How can you prove that?

830
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,000
You can see the cylinder there on my right hand,

831
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,000
which were instructions to the secretary of the Navy, Gideon Wells.

832
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,000
To assist me if I was sent to his office,

833
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,000
if I was in trouble in the field.

834
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,000
You can actually see that cylinder in my hand.

835
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,000
Here's the comparison.

836
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,000
Andrew Bissago and that kid at Gettysburg,

837
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,000
the one who's a little taller and fuller than the others.

838
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:39,000
Photo analysts have taken my sixth grade portrait from fall of 1972,

839
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,000
which would have been about six months after this photograph was taken.

840
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,000
And there's a direct correlation between the shape of the head and the shoulders

841
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,000
and so forth to this child here.

842
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,000
That's me in 1863.

843
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,000
Well, so that is literally...

844
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,000
I can only accept your word on it because as I look on it,

845
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:01,000
I can't identify that it's you, but you do look kind of out of place.

846
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,000
And so this is not only the only photograph to show Lincoln at Gettysburg,

847
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:09,000
but it's the first photograph to show a time traveler from the future.

848
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,000
And Governor, I am that time traveler.

849
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:18,000
Do I believe Andrew Bissago really traveled back in time to Gettysburg?

850
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,000
Do I believe he showed up in George Washington's tent?

851
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,000
Come on.

852
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,000
I'll tell you one thing, though.

853
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,000
I think Andrew Bissago believes it.

854
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,000
And from the evidence we uncovered,

855
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:36,000
I think he was used as a guinea pig in some kind of government black ops program.

856
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,000
Whether it was time travel or whether his memories were implanted,

857
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:45,000
he's another victim of the covert operations we pay for,

858
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,000
even when it's used against us.

859
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,000
Time travel?

860
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,000
Yeah, we found out the government experimented with it.

861
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,000
It's a conspiracy that reaches back years.

862
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:59,000
And if they were successful, into the future too.

863
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:03,000
I'm Jesse Ventura, and this is Conspiracy Theory.